Warthaug wrote:And what is a "traditional" Canadian? English-speaking protestant (Ontario), French-speaking Catholic (Quebec), various European-speaking individuals of varying religious backgrounds (ROC), Punjabi's and Chinees (BC), natives (all over)?
Ignoring my Metis quarter, my family came to Canada in the late 1800's, from Germany and Norway. Even in the 1990's the towns they settled (Kerobert, SK, as one example) you could walk into nearly any store and receive service in the old language, or for that matter strike up a conversation on any street corner in the father tongue. 3 generations in this country and yet German language, food and culture still dominated.
Punjab's and Chinese came to Canada about the same time, to build the Western end of the railroad. Those communities still exist in BC, still speak their old language and most still follow the religion and culture of the old country. In central BC there are Doukhobor communities which have been established since the 1930's where Russian is as common as English.
I think you need to leave small-town Ontario, because no where else in Canada will you find this imaginary "traditional" Canadian. Go back far enough and we're all immigrants, and vestiges of our historical cultures remain present and common across the country.
In my eyes its a person who came here from where ever, brought there customs, language, food etc. but never expected something for free, learned english immediately, joined existing traditions in Canada like xmas, thanksgiving, easter or at least let them existing without interference and certainly would never ask they be stopped or changed. These people made community's in peace without bringing there wars here to Canada, that's what they left behind why bring it here. They did not hate us they loved us wanted to be a Canadian.
You started off with a claim that todays immigrants do not want to integrate; I simply pointed out that the tenancy of immigrants to hold onto their old culture is as old as immigrants and that today's immigrants are no different. Your immigrant ancestors were unlikely to have been any different than those arriving today - likely they settled in areas that had high levels of immigrants from the same place, held onto their traditions and culture as long as they could, etc. xmas, thanksgiving and easter are christian
holidays, not Canadian things. A Punjabi-Canadian immigrant doesn't celebrate them, and if run into a Punjabi in BC there is a good chance that they've been here as long as many of your ancestors. For that matter I don't celebrate those holidays either - so I guess I'm not a "traditional Canadian" in your books either, despite the fact that some of my ancestors have been here for something like ten thousand years...
As for the rest of your rant, I've spent much of my life living in neighbourhoods with large immigrant communities, from the west coast through to the east. And not once did I encounter what you claim to be the norm. Most work - and work harder than us "old-stock" Canadians do (prior to citizenship, maintaining employment is required to retain most forms of immigrant status). Most are peaceful (statistically speaking, immigration reduces crime
), most are happy to be here and proud of their citizenship.
oro wrote:But your reply is perfect and exactly why this post was started, we cant even say "traditional Canadian" without recourse or immediate assumption for the worst, because I am a white male I must be making a racial comment.
I made no such assumption.
Rather I assumed that you were engaged in confirmation bias (the assumption that what you encounter in your community is reflective of how things (Canada in this case) works at large). You confirmed that my assumption was correct, in your re-definition of the term "traditional Canadian" as people who speak English and celebrate christian holidays. I'd point out that in my first reply to you that I defined the "traditional Canadain" in Ontario as just that - English protestant. But that's ontario, which is but one small part of our country. The point of my post - which you clearly missed - is that your "traditional Canadian" doesn't exist - it varys greatly depending on which part of Canada you are from. The french catholics were here before your English-protestant ancestors, and yet you've excluded them as "traditional Canadians" based on your claim that a "traditional Canadian" must speak English. But in Quebec, as well as parts of the maritimes and in a few areas in northern Sask and Alta, they are very much the "traditional Canadians" and English-speaking proestants the rare exceptions. My great-grandfather never spoke English - why would he; no one else in that area did either; to speak only English would put you at a disadvantage and exclude you from the comminties in that part of Canada. Your English-protestant is a "traditional Canadian" in Ontario and parts of the maritimes; elsewhere the 'traditional Canadian" looks very, very different.